Thursday, March 26, 2009

Old Navy vs. Lululemon


While cruising my yoga blogs I came across a post at Yoga Buzz regarding Old Navy's line of yoga wear and their advertising/marketing campaign taking shots at Lululemon and its prices.

Here's the post:
Old Navy Goes "Yoga-ing"
If you think yoga classes are expensive, don't even think about shopping for yoga clothes in a cutesy retail boutique store! Some of the big-name yoga brands can charge close to $100 for a pair of yoga pants. With this in mind, mass retailer Old Navy recently launched a line of affordable yoga clothes, and is marketing the line with signs in their stores that say, "Our guru thinks you're lulu if you spend $90 on yoga pants." (Lulu? Is that an abbreviation for looney, or are they referencing our friends at Lululemon?)

It seems like a sound strategy in these economic times. What do you think? (And can any of you speak to the quality of the Old Navy yoga line?)


Here was my comment to the post:

Perhaps the $90 is not in every yogi's budget--however, they last and are expensive because the company cares about human rights and sustainable practices. Though your Old Navy gear may not cost much, it is also manufactured in a developing nation where the workers are not usually paid living wages and the company does not prioritize the health and rights and future of the workers.

Sometimes you pay more because as a consumer you use the power of the purse to encourage thoughtful consumerism. With such a move toward sustainable agriculture, fair trade products, etc., it is companies like lululemnon that promote social awareness and allow consumers to purchase products that they can be proud to wear. Clothing can only cost pennies when the people manufacturing it are paid less than pennies.


And here is YogaDork's Post today on the same topic:

UPDATE: Old Navy’s Anti-Lululemon Ad Confirmed National Campaign
by admin on March 26, 2009

in Business of Yoga, News

UPDATE: We mentioned Old Navy’s laying down the chutzpa with their new lulu-slappin “Goga” ad. Well, we have confirmation that the ad is indeed part of a sweeping national campaign - we saw it with our own little eyeballs at an NYC Old Navy store yesterday. (photo by official YD undercover agent)

Yoga Journal politely wonders if maybe they could be using an abbreviated version of “looney” rather than attacking Lululemon. Haha. We just think the Chipster should have spent a little more time premeditating on the name of his overpriced yoga-inspired clothing company.

PS. The yoga items are surprisingly well-constructed (by Old Navy standards) and cheap - we bought a yoga top on sale for 10 bucks. also, there’s a just as large running/walking section. So far, no word on how great the pants make your ass look. Reports surely to follow.

One more thing. This does seem like a major appeal to the female market, once again with not much attention to dudes.


During my last semester of law school I took a class entitled: Consumer Law. I wrote my paper on consumerism and using purchasing power as a vehicle to communicate what practices you want to promote e.g., fair trade, sustainable agriculture, human rights practices, no sweat shops, etc. I actually value companies like Lululemon that are founded on these principles. Yeah- $90 is a lot for yoga pants. But, they last, the people making them can eat at night, and if we are really talking about being "green" then don't buy new yoga clothes that are manufactured in Southeast Asia and result in a giant carbon footprint when they are shipped to the U.S. Think about what someone is paid per hour if your yoga pants only cost $25. The company marks the product up at least 150% from cost or even wholesale price. Doesn't leave much room for paying a decent wage and offering health care or retirement benefits for the people making your affordable yoga garb.

Sorry for the rant. I appreciate being able to buy cute yoga stuff without going poor--but maybe buy your Lulu stuff on sale or buy it second hand. I think Old Navy is taking a cheap shot at Lulu. What do you think?

6 comments:

  1. Lululemon's clothing IS manufactured in Southeast Asia and DOES result in a giant carbon footprint when it is shipped to the U.S. Just check out their own FAQ page: http://www.lululemon.com/about/faq.

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  2. It turns out that they have abandoned their North America only manufacturing after the IPO. Pre-IPO Lulu was about domestic manufacturing. I have been out of law school for a couple years so I am at fault for not updating that research. Below is Lulu's site content regarding manufacturing. I will still argue that they have not been the culprit in a number of human rights issues over the years as has GAP.


    "Where does lululemon manufacture its products?
    We currently work with factories in Canada, the USA, Israel, China, Taiwan, Indonesia and India. We take great care in selecting factories to ensure that they share our commitment to quality and ethics. Global economic forces, including the elimination of worldwide manufacturing quotas under the Multi Fibre Agreement, have shifted manufacturing to more cost-attractive locations and resulted in closures of some domestic factories. It is vital for lululemon to keep a manufacturing base in Vancouver for security and speed-to-market of our core designs.

    What are factory conditions like where lululemon products are manufactured?

    The factories we use are safe, clean, ventilated, well lit, healthy work environments. We assess the health, safety and quality of working conditions of factories before establishing a working relationship. We use International Labour Organization (ILO) standards as a framework for lululemon's Workplace Code of Conduct. Our Code of Conduct specifies international labour standards related to health and safety, non-discrimination, freedom of association, child or forced labour, wages and overtime as well as environmental responsibility. Our Production, Quality Control, Commercialization teams and our third-party auditors make regular visits to the factories we use. We also have the newly established LLO (lululemon Liaison Office) in Dongguan China that is staffed by lululemon employees. This office allows lululemon to be in the field where production happens and facilitate management of our garment production, daily problem solving and relationship building.

    We have always viewed efficiency & waste reduction as smart business, particularly in our manufacturing processes. Our designers continually innovate with sustainable styles that reduce waste in the design and production processes. The OQOQO line (www.oqoqo.com) has fibres that are at least 75% natural, organic or sustainable. OQOQO is our main investment in sustainable fabrics and styles. In addition to lululemon products, our store development team is actively adding energy efficiencies into store design and using renewable building materials e.g. reclaimed wood flooring, use of natural lighting and environmentally safe paint. Staff are encouraged to walk/run/bike for their commute. We recycle at all of our facilities and are working towards reduced waste across all departments."

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  3. I am just supporting the other side--Pro Lulu rather than Pro Old Navy/GAP. When Lulu has an issue like the one GAP had in India 18 months ago---then I will stop saving my precious pennies for long lasting, boobs and ass enhancing yoga gear.

    "Oct. 29, 2007 (KGO) (KGO) -- One of San Francisco's corporate giants is in the hot seat after acknowledging a factory in India was using young children to make its garments. The Gap has fired its subcontractor and none of the products made there will be sold. However, human rights groups say that's not enough.

    Exclusive video obtained by ABC News shows children in India, as young as 10, sewing garments for the Gap. The children said their families sold them to the factory. Some claim they were not paid.
    Police in India raided another clothing sweatshop today and found more than a dozen young boys at work. That raid was just blocks from the New Delhi factory that San Francisco-based the Gap contracted for its kids line.
    Story continues belowAdvertisementThe Gap now says those clothes will never be sold in its stores.
    The video of Indian children assembling GapKids clothes has gone worldwide. Shot by a German TV crew and distributed through a London media outlet carried in the U.S. by ABC.
    Its distribution as global as a Gap t-shirt. The images of children as young as 10, working for no wages brings into stark relief the problems of the global supply chain where children are the weakest link.
    "The problems exist continually but we only find them occasionally," said UC Berkeley Labor and Environmental Law Professor Dara O'Rourke.
    UC Berkeley professor Dara O'Rourke says the Gap's problem is spread throughout third world manufacturing and a consequence of first world business models.
    "They have outsourced so much of their supply chain, that they now can't control very critical issues about core treatment of workers producing their goods. Core performance standards for quality of those goods the chemicals being used on those goods, the health impacts of those goods and we now are seeing the tip of this iceberg," said O'Rourke.
    The iceberg is globalization, which has produced cheaper goods for American consumers.
    It's natural for capital to flow to cheap labor, but in the apparel industry, the demand for cheap labor is magnified by pressure for quick turnaround, style and consumer demand for low prices.
    In the case of the Gap, they have two thousand factories - policed by 90 Gap monitors. Many American corporations employ such monitors.
    We know now that factories have gotten very good at tricking those monitors. In China where we do a lot of work, you can buy software e to produce three sets of books. One set for the tax man, another for the auditor and one set that actually says how many shirts you produced and what they really cost.
    Finding untainted goods is tough even for the well; meaning there are companies like Global Exhange which will do a million dollars in sales this year by dealing directly with its third world suppliers.
    "There's a lot of background checking going on, and a lot of ties the cooperative applies directly to us," said Shel Mae from Global Exchange.
    Will these images be enough to force businesses and consumers to change? Hard to say. But each passing month is producing a new news story about poisonous dog food, lead painted toys, and now child labor - leading consumers to ask - what is the cost of low prices? "

    Hmmmm only 90 American monitors. I will see if I can get Lulu to tell how many monitors they have. Their FAQ talks about the monitors they have in China alone.

    I met some people when I was in China that were touring manufacturing facilities. They told me about their lawyer friend that worked for Timberland to ensure compliance with appropriate labor standards. I think that is one of my dream jobs. Perhaps policing Lulu internationally while wearing their clothes and teaching/practicing yoga whereever I go.

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  4. You're entitled to support one company/brand over another. Lulu is a good company with good people and good products. So is Gap.

    But unless you have insider info from *both* sides, it's really not necessary to rationalize your preference by trying to make one company evil and the other good. You took a stand on a faulty platform (claiming lulu is above manufacturing in developing nations) and tumbled off. Oops.

    Everyone makes mistakes. Hopefully you learn from yours, as I'm sure Gap (and other companies who discover their standards have been violated) learn and put systems in place to help assure it doesn't happen again.

    Namaste.

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  5. I would not say I "tumbled off." And, if you read my post I did admit a mistake and learned to complete my fact checking before weighing in on the popular bash lulu and praise Old Navy advertising debate. My point was more that the GAP brand has had a number of very public and very egregious human rights issues during the last decade and that I will tend to support companies that have not had the same problems.

    I weighed in because there was so much animosity surrounding Lulu in the yoga blogging world and I wanted to give my own side.

    I was not the one issuing gold stars or Evil vs. good awards to these companies. Rather, I just threw my two cents in about what goes into pricing $90 ass enhancing pants as opposed to the Old Navy yoga pants.

    But- thanks for personalizing the debate and so eloquently explaining that I tumbled off of my platform. Perhaps you can leave your sarcastic Namaste off of your salutation next time. Because if you were truly recognizign the equality and sacredness between us in such a maaner as to unify us as one, well I think the phrase "tumble off" with an offensive "Oops" owuld not have been part of your response.

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  6. You're right A. Sofia -- there's no good reason to personalize a debate. My oops.

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